The Afterlife

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  1. PKT Forever /a/lone

    Meow, I nearly died a few times but I never saw a white tunnel or light or anything special and funny like that. What would you want out of an ideal afterlife? What would you ask God or whoever you believe in if you could meet them. And what if anything would you ask them for?

    Me I don't find life so interesting so I'd go to a place in my dreams or imagination as an ideal escape. The only thing I don't like about dreams is that whole waking up and still having a physical body thing. If the afterlife was like a big lucid dream I'd be happy.

    I'd ask the creator the meaning of life, since I've stayed up many many nights thinking about it. I'd also ask about the meaning of dreams imagination and hallucinations. I always thought they meant something but I can't be sure yet, my theories are too incomplete for my liking.

    I'd ask for the power of creation and create my own reality with many things in it that I can do so I won't have to be bored again.
  2. Venom Well-Known Member

    Having put some thought into it, I'm not sure I believe in an afterlife because, if, when we die in this life, we're just going to enter a whole new one, what's the point of this one? It brings up the "why are we here" question, and I feel that if we're here in this life to serve some purpose, then there's no sense in us having another life after this. I mean, if there's a heaven or hell, then you would think God (or Satan?) would give us some sort of nudge in the right direction as to what exactly we're supposed to do before we (re?)join him, as opposed to giving us life only for us to not do anything with it and then come spend eternity with one of them for no reason other than the fact that we died in our first life. As for reincarnation, it's kinda like, we're being given another chance to do whatever it was we were supposed to do, but we still don't know what it is, so it's an endless cycle. And if you do whatever it was, what then? Eternal life? For what?

    I dunno, it just seems like we shouldn't even have a life on earth if we're just going to start another life right after it ends.
  3. PKT Forever /a/lone

    Makes a lot of sense to me. I'm not sure I see a point in an afterlife though I do believe in it. I mean life in general seems pointless in a way in my eyes.
  4. Venom Well-Known Member

    To me life - this life - is only pointless because of an afterlife, because if you're just going to live again, there's no point in making this life count.
  5. PKT Forever /a/lone

    Maybe the next life is like a big reset button being pressed with another body.
  6. Carlo Marx Sunflower Sutra

    Remember what it was like just before you started existing? That is my answer to "what do you believe the afterlife holds". Nothing points in any other direction besides baseless speculation.
  7. Nazo Moderator

    I'd like to believe if there is a God, the point of 'life' is to live a way that has a limit.. To live like there is no tomorrow. To actually feel things. If there is angels and Gods, they are jealous of us because they cannot live the way we do. We live on the edge every moment of our lives. The point of this one is to feel that way. To be on edge.. because when good things happen, it's amazing when you think about it like, "I never thought I'd do this in my lifetime." We live more satisfying lives than a God ever would.

    Eh, this is where biblical stand points would be the right answer, but I won't get into all that. I think the purpose of life IS to have that living on the edge feel to it. It makes you want to get up and do something with your life. As for your purpose? That's entirely up to you. There is no true purpose of life. Only what you make of it.

    Reincarnation, in my definition, is not like this. It's not a repeat. It's simply new. You remember nothing of the past life, you are a different person, but you still retain the same soul. But the memories that were stored in your physical body of the past is long gone. The point of reincarnation is just that, new life. Yes, it's a cycle, but it's also a way to feel secure and feel there is no true end to life. The end to life is just like the beginning before you were born. Do you remember that?

    Like I said, It's brand new. So you won't know it. You'd be completely oblivious to the world yet again, and find new meaning. Or you might just happen to repeat what you did before, but that's not the point. The point is living, which is something most people are not so eager to stop doing. Anything is better than nothingness. ...unless it's an eternity of burning. :\

    Nope. That's why it's called a new life. And at this point in my life and knowing more of religious aspects, I wouldn't call it 'baseless', but I wouldn't say it has a definitive base for it either.

    I'm not entirely sure what I believe at this point. I'm truly agnostic. I can see how the existence of a God or Gods can be possible and believable, but I also see all the loop holes. There were so many things that pointed me to becoming an Atheist a while ago... Like the question of free will and how that's possible if God knows everything. But I've read MANY topics, talked to many people in peaceful conversations about their beliefs and such. Some would call it 'seeing the light', but if yet to see the real light just yet.

    And no, David. I will not get into how I can see the possibility of a God. I'm only saying this because your personality and strong will of an Atheist leads me to believe you'd ask me about this. I'd be willing to explain it sometime, just not on here. If you weren't going to ask me in the first place, then just disregard this section lol. This goes for anyone else.
  8. Carlo Marx Sunflower Sutra

    It is funny because the tables were at one point turned between Nazo and I, myself being the theist and him being the less than such.

    I really don't have any arguments with anything you say, however, I have to slightly disagree on the fact that there really is any reason to believe in god besides the want of him to exist. If you think that justifies the ignorance and oppression that religion still promotes, if not at the large scale that it once did. I know you were not defending organized religion and I was not trying to say that you were, I am just kinda getting off the topic of your post and I wanted to point out that believing in things that are not based in reality promotes morals and philosophies that are not based in reality . From that I believe that we can not achieve anything that is truly profitable to the progress of humanity. I do not think that it is impossible for a god to exist, but I do not believe that to be reason enough to disillusion oneself into pretending to know said god exists. Again getting off topic because you did not say anything about that, I just however wanted to throw that bit in.
  9. Archangel Sabre Well-Known Member

    How you see the possibility of a god is between you and you alone. Or you and god, depending.

    And I wouldn't really call myself a hardcore Atheist. These days, I just don't pay much attention to god either way.
  10. Nazo Moderator

    When talking about god, there's really no point in trying to disagree. There is no facts on a God's existence. You can't physically prove, nor can you disprove. It's a stale mate. Religion doesn't really teach ignorance or oppression. There are some extremist in every religion that make it seem as such. Modern day Christians DON'T follow the bible at all, and thus seem to be pressing people to convert to their ways and shit. The extremists are the ones that down gays and things like that. I live with a TRUE Christian. My Aunt-My mom's partner-and she has taught me a lot. She respects my beliefs and looks down on no one. She never judges and to put it boldly loves everyone. That is a true Christian. But no matter how much I read, or am taught, the scientific side of me still finds loop holes in God's system. And if you read the bible, there is a lot of things that happen and then some that's conflicted with what it said.

    Also a side note. Most modern day Christians still believe Eve ate an apple. When she did not. It was an expression used by god to say Eve fucked Lucifer.

    Indeed. Extremist are fools that should be slain, but saying God isn't based in reality is something I would've said a couple years ago. I just can't say that now.
  11. Archangel Sabre Well-Known Member

    Woah, woah, woah, wait.


  12. Tentei No Mai Bitch Pudding!

    Yeah, when Nekoko-chan told me that tidbit about Eve I went

    I like that we can talk about religion and not get all bent over and butt hurt about it, and I really do enjoy learning about my comrades' stances on the matter, too. Growing up I was taught the bare minimum when it came to Christianity since my mother wanted for us to be open minded even if it meant that someday we'd be Buddhist or something (I think she'd have a heart attack if anyone of us were Atheist, though, but she never seemed that judgmental about atheism anyway). I did Sunday school, but that didn't last too long because I kept asking all sorts of questions with only half of the intent of being an asshole. I mean, I do believe in there being a higher power, but things get a little fuzzy from there. Religion-wise, I can't decide, so I sort of just...don't. There are some things I can agree when it comes to the Bible, but since I don't treat as the honest-to-goodness truth I don't think it's a good idea for me to be blindly Baptist or whatever. After all, morality isn't something you can only get if you're of faith since one's morality is determined by different factors. At least, that's what I think without consulting my studies <__<. Eh, I'm not really good at this kind of talk, but I do like discussing it!

    PS. KURISU-KUN, YOU FUCKER, THAT HAD BETTER BE THE ONLY MAI QUOTE YOU GOT. I watch tube8 for my porn needs now u__u.
  13. Nazo Moderator


    Hah. I'm still trying to find the one where you wanted to rape me.
  14. Archangel Sabre Well-Known Member

    My copy of Genesis 3 doesn't say anything about Eve fucking Lucifer. >___>
  15. Tentei No Mai Bitch Pudding!

    It's all about interpretations! For example, let's say I want to be subtle about my enjoyment of melon bread...I'd say something like "Thy sweetest artificial nectar is soma, the bread of life for which thy hunger shall be soothed. Mairifficus 12:9".
  16. Nazo Moderator

    The bible is all about hidden meanings and analogies. (and loop holes)

    When God cast out Lucifer from Heaven, he didn't send him to hell, Hell didn't exist. Lucifer was sent to the Earth. He was, they say, extremely good looking. So good looking that he was the very definition of temptation. Which is a part of Lust. One of the seven deadly sins. Eve was out one day and ran into Lucifer... She, I guess, was astounded by his appearance, and maybe even put under a 'spell' you could say by Lucifer's very being. God warned the two of the tree of knowledge and that they shouldn't pick it's forbidden fruit of knowledge. He was basically telling them not to have sex. God was going to let them have sex, as that was how the animals reproduced, and he wanted his creations(his children) to become many, but only at the right time. They didn't understand the meaning it would seem. Which isn't surprising cause hardly anyone else does. When it said Eve picked an apple from the tree of knowledge, it meant she found out about the pleasures of sex, of temptation, and gained the knowledge of their being nude. When it said she gave it to Adam, it meant after she had sex with Lucifer, she went back and did it with Adam. After Adam and Eve had sex, they were lying in the bushes. God called out to them and they came out to answer him. They were wearing clothing for the first time. Leaf underwear and shit like that.

    This is why Eve had twins. Kain and Abel. Kain is Lucifer's son, Abel is Adam's.

    In fact, there's a joke about this tid bit. Some say Eve ate an apple, I say, "no, it was a pair on the ground."
  17. Archangel Sabre Well-Known Member

    Now that you mention it, I just reread that passage and found some pretty passionate stuff:

    Sweat was dripping off the both of them, as the maiden Eve tasted her first sampling of the forbidden fruit.
    "Oh, Lucifer," she moaned once more, before bringing her lips to his and sealing their live with a kiss.
    Then she looked her love in the eye, and a great worry came over her, "But ... if the LORD discovers this, he will ..."
    "He'll what, my love?" Lucifer interrupted. "Not even the power of the LORD can destroy the shackles of our love. For we are one, and together, we can overcome anything."
    "Oh, Lucifer," she moaned. Her love always knew exactly what to say to put her worries at ease.

    It goes on like this for like ten pages.

    It's kind of starting to turn me on ...

    Brb, gots me some sinning to do.
  18. Archangel Sabre Well-Known Member

    No disrespect, but this reads like bad bible fanfiction. If you wanna be liberal with interpreting the bible that's fine, but what you're doing here is basically making shit up. Or maybe you're repeating what someone else told you, and they're making this shit up. Either way, there's some serious storytelling going on here, and it sure as hell isn't about anything contained within the bible.
  19. Nazo Moderator

    How did you get from...

    To saying I or someone else made it up? Lots of Christians believe Eve ate some non-existent goddamn fruit, when she didn't.... I mean... really, dude? All of what I said is in the Christian Bible. In fact, being an atheist, I don't really see a point in criticizing someone else about how they interpreted the bible.
  20. Archangel Sabre Well-Known Member

    By all means, interpret the Bible however you like. I just think that, if you're being serious, your interpretation is pretty retarded. But shit, don't let that stop you. Crazier people have believed crazier things.

    Besides, reading this quote, I'm pretty sure that you're either trolling, you've never actually read the part of the bible you're talking about, or you're 'interpreting' the bible so liberally that you may as well be making shit up as you go along.

    Doesn't make any difference to me though. Call me if you ever get the G-man's cell, so we can hear his opinion on this matter.
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